Tearing Into My 14L Diesel Boat Engine To Find The Damage
8.10.2020
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In today's episode we're tearing into my Cummins VT903M 14L diesel boat engine to see how bad the damage is and if we can fix it.
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I curious what your final total costs will be when you are done, and, if you think it was all worth it. Would another used/newer boat have been a better idea? Good luck guys. I hope it all works out. And, I hope you do give an honest final cost when you're done.
Buy a good 903 and put back in there. Huge very expensive mistake going to gas. No torque, horrible economy and performance. You'll be fighting the throttles constantly in any kind a sea.
Just bolt some outboards on the back of your yacht
Ahh the reason for the smoke when started see video #1
If you replace those marine diesels with petrol you are completely insane and putting the safety of yourself and passengers at risk. Stop thinking you know better then the people who designed the boat and just be humble for once.
B is for Bottomless Money Pit ...
You can get VT903M for cheaper than you think. Look into Government Auctions. The Coast Guard used these for years with great reliability.
B is for Train Wreck
a head gasket leak can be as small as a pin hole putting anti freez in the oil
I found a brand new 903 with all the hardware 0 hours for $15000. You didn’t do your homework
You didn’t do very good research, those Cummins VTA 903 marine engines are available on eBay 500hp and with warranty for $4995. Each. Problem with putting gas in your boat will automatically loose half it’s value when you decide to dump it.
Those pieces of rubber are the water pump, you should have replaced both impellers when you bought the boat, there is certain things that don’t last forever on a old boat,
I’m guessing that the turbo blew an oil seal. If it was a crank seal I don’t see you dumping 11 gallons of oil in the bilge in a short time without evidence on the outside of the block. If the turbo seal went you could pump it out the exhaust
If you can't fix you CV JOINT On your truck WTF makes you think you can fix that🤔
I just saw a post on reddit and immediately recognized the water pump from the one that was destroyed on your engine. www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/kr1x9f/this_is_why_we_do_routine_inspections_kids/?
You really did not say steam line did you? A STEAM LINE? You are in WAY over you heads.
The fact it was re-propped for higher revs says the original diesel engines might not be the ideal engines for the boat. So why not try the LS option. Economy is irrelevant when talking fast cruiser boats that are just going to be used for fun. If you don't know the question. LS is the answer.
Well I was subbed, but after seeing this, I see nothing more of value. Just dumb
i would love to buy them engines
I think the rod bearing is bad on at least 1 cylinder
that is the impeller blades of the water pump that cools the exhaust
The telltale was the low knock.
Good videos. Knock it out. It’s your boat and your adventure. Be safe
Bro, here’s how you double your $ on boats. Fold your money in half and stick it back in your pocket! Welcome to the brotherhood of boat owners. Pretty boat!
Maybe you didn't check the oil before starting and the engine was running dry surprise it didn't blow earlier tough engine those cummings.Rubber impeller.Gass is safer and less expensive really in one month you will spend all your savings this is madness .
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What muppets. Looking for oil leaks 🤣🤣 if you checked the oil level before you started it that day you would have known your engine was using oil. I served my time on them V8 cummins and Perkins. They take 38 liters of engine oil. A little oil stain on the bottom of the raw water pump really is not what your problem is. I dont feel sorry for you . How u have 1.45 milion subs is worrying. Learn to check your oil its a 30 year old engine 🤣🤣
nobody ever goes from turbo diesel to gas. gas never lasts as long with 1000 hours being max time. gas will be 4 to 5 times the fuel costs over turbo diesel. a good change out would be turbo 6bt or turbo 3208. also the resale value of the boat will take a big hit with gas. gas is also very dangerous on a boat.
If they didn't know what a raw water pump impeller. They wouldn't know to change it
Put a om606 or om603 turbo in the boat
I'd put those 7 thousand pound diesel engs. on a tug and haul them out past the bar and drop them to make a artificial reef. Then I'd build a outboard bracket and bolt on 3 450 h.p. outboards and be done with it. You're putting way too much work into the boat. Easy outboards! Easy maintenance! Easy replacement! And...1/4 of the weight, and better performance.
You also would to put in at least 1200 HP LS motors to even close of producing the amount of torque those diesels put out
I can’t believe you have taken on a project so large and you don’t even know that chunks of rubber are from your raw water pump. I’ve lost all faith
Did anyone ever check the oil level or better yet change it? Oil and filter would be minimum engine maintenance, possibly a compression test prior to purchase would have been a good idea as well. If the toasted water pump cooked the sleeve seals it was over before you turned the motor over. 5 gallons is a monster amount of oil. If it went into the hull it would look like a tanker oil spill, where did it all go?
That's a great question. Do we even know for a fact that there WAS oil in this engine before the trip started? (They have these things called dip-sticks, that, while admittedly not as high tech as remote reading oil pressure gauges, are exceedingly reliable - and, if you're a hopelessly behind the times old geezer, should be checked before every trip.) If it went into the drip pan or bilge, that would be obvious. If it got burned, that should have left massive exhaust smoke. If it went overboard un-burned, that should have left an obvious slick. Something doesn't smell right about this.
Ha, Ha! He implied he thinks he might get a return on investment from the boat. He really is a newbie to Marine World! Well... He learned that that "rubber thing" was an impeller. That's progress!
ow my god i dont know were to start, hope you know the valve timing before you put one though a piston, hope you understand injector pump timing, pulling out the sleeve lick that !!! OWCH.
Putting a fluorescent additive in the oil would have helped find the leak - too late now. Interesting channel!
If I had to guess... impeller chunks in the cooling system caused overheating which damaged the internals of the engine, causing oil issues and finally critical failure. Guess this is why all the marine engine video channels have impellers as one of the first maintenance items they display.
I remember you saying it was a V6, sure looks like it has 8 cylinders to my untrained eye.
Damn good decision. I know first hand about that engine.
Owning a marine repair shop I am curious of how long the "performance" engines will last. Unlike cars where racing and such is a very brief load on the engine, pushing a big boat through water may be using the engine at peak hp/tq output for literally hours on end, WOT with enough drag to keep it off the limiter 24/7 for the rest of its life. I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just curious how well it will work for an extended period. Also, yes the previous owner either swapped the impeller himself and didn't clean the shredded chunks out or has a fully incompetent mechanic. From there, reduced water flow overheated the engine, something gets hot and let water through, I see it all the time, any time we find a damaged impeller we pull the entire cooling system apart until we find all the remnants, and flush all the lines of the powderized stuff.
PPE? Lol
Shards of rubber, the water pump !
Dam if ya weren't so far away I'd be interested in the 903s for a semi
It need a New oil pan
Each cylinder has a liner which can be bought as a complete set...
Need a new in-frame rebuild and redo the heads, wp, oil cooler, etc... will be cheaper than LS swap... but, that’s just me saying...
Is still oil left inside the engine??
Are you living beside a Highway??
you may know engines but you don't know marine engines yet, hard way to learn that marine engines need regular impala changes, at least you found where the bits go.
Opposite of what you want... short term savings for long term pain, sad to see.
Who’s gives a crap what negative people say, I’m happy to follow the journey with you. Funny how all the fastest power boats still run gasoline cause they rev so much better. Thanks for keeping it interesting 👍
I would love to get the those , the 903 would go in my Dodge 350 , Thank You !
Rings?
Bye Bye
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That plastic stuff looks like an impeller which should be changed out every season with a new one.
Torque moves Mass not HP. You'll replace 3 Big block chevys (x2) in the next 30 yrs when your Cummins needs another rebuild. I'll stay tuned to watch though. I have over 3 million miles on a 3406a Cat, but what do I know.
LS engines! Bahahahhahahha... Uhmmm nope! It'll probably still float but you better add ballast. Don't count on cruising around in it. It won't happen. It's clear that you know zero about boats
If he’s going to ruin it with gas why doesn’t he modify a used Mercruiser 496 HO or the new 8.2 MAG HO? Their Chevy, fuel injected, and already marinized. In fact why isn’t he using any of Mercury Racing engine for consumers?
Turbo
are you crazy! taking potentially 4 tons of ballast from low down in your boat is not going to do a lot for comfy cruising . just see how quick it flips when hit by a nasty wave .
Your videos are so good!! Regards from Macao
Get a whaley boat
Or make one way bigger.
Oh dear no
You are so clueless.
Really should talk to Gale Banks about Duramax L5P, stock engines with cam swap, injector swap, and bigger turbo will do more than 800-900 HP and tons of torque.
Oh Man this all sounds so Exciting I cant wait and yes i know im way behind your Vlogs but since the first one I don't want to miss any i love how you explain it all for us awesome Vlogs love them
Long story short, if you plan on keeping that yacht, I would take the time and rebuild those Cummins. Once you swamp them out and go alternate you'll lose in the long run, the resell value will plummet, the market for a alternately powered yacht will be almost non-existent. Unlike cars, yachts/boats in general are waiting games, basically money pits. When you jump into the class you're in, they're mostly maid for people who have a lot of money and like to throw it at stuff to fix it. In fact that's in general almost all boats/yachts. Once you rebuild those Cummins, with proper preventative maintenance they'll last for quiet some time especially if you're proactive. Either way good luck i do like watching this.
My friend, I just restored a 1992 Riva 50 Superamerica HP. These boats are top of the line in every way, superior quality. No way would I put gas engines in a Riva 43 Tropicana unless I was willing to give it away for a fraction of the value. My Riva 50 has twin MAN 510's, and they are also 30 years old, but they run like new because they were maintained properly and only have 500 hours on them. They are expensive engines to maintain, but they make the boat. Riva uses diesels for a reason. Why not just rebuild your Cummins engines? My good friend, Riva Guru, is a Riva dealer/restorer in Ft. Lauderdale: rivaguru.com/contact/ I am sure he will tell you that what you are planning to do is a really bad idea. I believe top speed on the Tropicana is 35 knots.
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Do the old Riva the justice she deserves. Get the other engine out, make the bilge mint. And do the rebuild with help from knowledgeable folks on here. If they wernt good and bulletproof the parts would be discontinued. I mean 3 weeksfor parts against bespoke untested parts??? Mint engine bay with 2 rebuilt originals is the only way to retain any value. Sorry mate your taking the wrong path.
Boats don't need Horsepower. They need Torque. That is why the original spec for the boat was diesel. Boats need longevity. That's why the original spec was for diesel. Efficiency matters in a boat. That's why the original spec was for diesel. You are making a HUGE mistake! You are putting serious time and money into this boat, and that's commendable. But, you are doing WAY too much GUESSING on what to do! Get some knowledge before you make these decisions, and you'll be happier in the long run. You say one reason to replace those big engines is because they are too big. Too big. Oh, poor me... my engines are too big in my 20k pound yacht. Does this make sense to anyone? Talking about fire hazard... another major reason you use diesel in a large boat is explosion. Gasoline explodes, diesel does not, and you are going to carry hundreds of gallons of gasoline. Besides, don't you have a diesel generator? Now you have to add another fuel tank. You could rebuild those diesels for far less than replacing them. And, what you save in fuel cost with diesels in the first year over the gassers would cover the rebuild cost. I'm sorry, man... but you are doing all this work to "restore" the boat, but the engine decision is ruining this boat.
I never heard of these guys before today but.....they need to stay away from boats! especially diesels! So sad to see someone trash those big cummins engine from pure ignorance. they are going to need at least four of those 454's to push that boat anywhere near what the cummins did.
SBC 350........that is all
I can't say I agree with LS here.... The best thing about LS engines is they're cheap, everything else you get what you pay for, I don't think he's going to want to have to do all the continuous maintenance LS engines require on a boat that takes so much time and expense to pull engines out of. But hey, at least he's having them built aftermarket, that should help him a lot.
And that, my friends, is why you condition the coolant in a wet sleeve engine
Have you considered diesel-electric? ...a pair of Tesla motors but driven by a generator. You could choose to employ batteries or not but if you did you’d have a sneaky stealth mode. But then there’s the added cost of a lot of black paint.
Yet it's been over a month and the boat it still sitting no engines.
Another interesting project. It’s been my understanding, albeit limited, that Diesel engines are more durable & more reliable for big boats.
@26.50 you don't use "begs the question" correctly. You don't use "that begs the question" to state a question. You'd use beg the question, for example, if you were told the new engine is pretty because it isn't ugly, that would beg the question of well what is pretty.
The dude should stick with cars, and beaters at that--or maybe go backwards a bit and start with a 18-foot runabout with a 188 hp Mercruiser to learn the basics. Don't have enough time in the day to watch another car fire on the freeway--have unsubscribed.
as I know about water impellers on many boats. The one you have is a short vein impeller and should be changed yearly. Use triple guard grease to cover coat the impeller before installing it. Where they brake is the root area on the veins.
oil cooler cracked?
two things - Don't paint zinks and your oil cooler zink failed and started your oil leak into the water
Love it....cant wait to see the results.
2X skyline engines or 2X toyota supra engines
Having been round boats all my 60 plus years, you have some huge gonads going over to gasoline on a vessel this size... the issue is carrying what will be a fairly large amount of fuel onboard and serious very strict management needed to take care of the evaporates during fueling etc.... I've heard the sound & been witness what wasn't really an accident but a choice to cut corners only a small amount on just that one occasion that resulted in a fatally bad outcome....
Don’t do, I will not watch boat related content. I’ll still watch the car content though.
Hey did you ever think about gas turbines I know they’re expensive but there are some military surplus from Hury helicopters...
Oh man I’m not saying I’m not happy to see you build your own boat from scratch but we all know that’s a hole in the water as the saying goes but I wish you the very very best of luck my friend seriously I look forward to seeing your success and I think you will succeed
And I have to admit though I think its a mistake not rebuilding the Cummins I cannot wait to see what you churn out of Texas Speed for a gas replacement and all the fabrication this will take to re fit the boat. I honestly think you are going to go way beyond what a rebuild cost of the Cummins would cost you in the end to this gas conversion but I have to admit it will be entertaining to watch if you have the funds to just go through it anyway! Lol..
At least we don't have to listen to you say diezel anymore :)
The 903 Cummins was used in 900 series versatile 4wd tractor , it was never popular due to expensive repairs.
Two turbo fans...
That’s is why they just dumped the work ..
LS EVERYTHING 🤘🤘
If you aren't going to use those 903's then I'd suggest donating them to a Diesel engine repair school were they can use them as a training tool for future diesel mechanics. Personally I think that going to gasoline engines is a mistake for a nice Italian boat, but I can understand the economics of the decision.
I'm sorry to tell you an LS block cannot handle the steady torque needed to be reliable on a long haul in your big heavy boat . Why do you think that big Cummins is so heavy ? Please keep.it diesel Big 9 litre Cummins out of a big RV will get you 400 to 500 horse 1300 lbs Common Man, If you have the money stuff two XB 15s in there and close the hatchs and haul ass. You can get those engines out of wrecked semis , Its for long haul expeditions not a drag race . You may need to learn the hard way . All the best .
Is there a chance you could do more video of the work and diagnostics and less video of you explaining/hand waving and pointing? Most of your videos are your hand waving in front of the camera and explaining whats wrong.